Baltimore Sun, 14 April 1994
Sun line flooded by calls in support of flogging
By Lisa Respers
Contributing Writer
Baltimore Sun readers yesterday responded overwhelmingly in favor of the possible caning of 18-year-old Michael P. Fay, an American teen-ager who pleaded guilty to vandalizing cars in Singapore.
With comments such as, "I'm 100 percent behind Singapore," and, "They should get that kid," callers flooded the phone lines of The Sun's Sundial system to voice their support of Mr. Fay's receiving six lashes from a rattan cane.
About 1,600 responses were recorded by the telephone information system before an announcement saying calls were no longer needed was placed on the system later yesterday afternoon. Another 300 calls came in yesterday evening despite the announcement.
Although some readers voiced concern for the young man and a criticism of the punishment itself, a heavy majority said they favored the caning.
"I think not only should they flog him, but it ought to be on CNN," said Lou Jordan of Essex. "I think it ought to be piped into all of the prisons where our prisoners are sitting there doing nothing but watching TV, playing cards and having dope and doing whatever they want to do."
Mr. Jordan is a former health care professional who said that he saw nothing cruel about the punishment, which experts say will probably cause permanent scarring.
"If they had caught him stealing in some of the other countries they would have cut off his hand," he said. "I'm sorry that he won't be able to wear his scars on the outside."
Many of the callers took the opportunity to express their anger at the United States' justice system.
"If the young fellow broke a law over here, we would have patted him on the hand and said 'naughty, naughty, don't do it again,'" said William Harrington of Crownsville. "Over there, they take a stricter view, and they are correct. Maybe we should institute flogging or caning."
Helen Waldron of Ellicott City agreed.
"I think the United States should have stricter laws against juveniles," Mrs. Waldron said. "You have gangs of fatherless boys roaming the streets doing nothing but robbing and shooting and causing complete chaos."
Sid Finkelstein theorized that the American public is fed up with crime.
"People are just tired," said Mr. Finkelstein, a Lochearn resident. "We [he and his wife] are old enough to remember when flogging was used at the Baltimore penitentiary for wife beaters, and it seemed to be effective then."
"If we would start punishing criminals for what they do instead of letting them go and feeding them and putting in pool tables and everything in jails, we'd have less crime," said Ron Steen of Pasadena.
Baltimore resident Richard Messick first called to say that the supported the caning but called later to amend his comments.
"The fact that so many Americans think he deserves to be flogged frightens me," he said. "This whole case seems to be nothing but a barometer of the impotence Americans feel in the face of crime in this country.
"While something drastic needs to be done here to curtail the spread of violence, I don't think flogging is the answer."
Sarah Crites of Essex expressed concern for Mr. Fay.
"This is terrible, and I think it should be stopped," she said. "I mean, they are going to flog a kid for spray painting a car?
"I spanked my kids for doing stuff like throwing furniture out of the upstairs window, but this is terrible," she added.
"Flogging is just sadistic," said Eric Tolmach of Mount Airy. "There are many other ways of making the boy pay his debt without resorting to physical cruelty."
Houston Post, Texas, 20 April 1994
Sound-Off ... Letters to the Editor
The Caning
ONE THING for sure, whether Michael Fay gets caned or not, he will make a fortune appearing on the numerous minus-IQ TV shows when he's able to sit down.
Avis Barrett
HOUSTON
It would make a more dramatic showing if the networks could get him on before he can sit - and show why. - Editor.
I ASKED my 16-year-old high school junior student, "What do you think of the caning of Michael Fay?"
The reply was: "Who's Michael Fay? What's caning?"
Obviously, the message is not reaching our children.
A.M. Paramore
HOUSTON
CANING as a deterrent to crime would not work in America any more than does the promise of incarceration.
Scars from bullets and knives are carried as badges of honor, as would be those from caning, among those whose respect for other people is nonexistent.
The same holds true for many of those with a record of "time served." Having "done time" is considered prestigious by people who would think otherwise had they been raised to believe in the values of life and liberty that our present Constitution endorses.
To clarify my position, I suport the caning - with a cringe - imprisonment and capital punishment, but none of them will reduce crime.
Only a well-taught and exemplified set of values can do that, as is proven in Asia, where people show respect for each other's freedoms, however limited they may be.
It's not merely the threat of barbaric punishment that maintains law and order in Singapore. It's the people's formal upbringing.
Mark T. Black
HOUSTON
J. CHARLES Whitfield (S-O April 14) said Michael Fay has done no more than three out of four teen-agers in this country in the past few years. He's right.
What he is missing is that Michael Fay was not in this country. Everyone must learn to abide by the rules in whatever country they visit, or suffer the consequences.
Perhaps if we had a little corporal punishment, our streets might be cleaner and safer.
Irene Traner
HOUSTON
Straits Times, Singapore, 21 April 1994
Bring back caning in US
By Ed Koch
NEW YORK -- The caning sentence in Singapore for a young American convicted of vandalism has ignited an emotional debate about the deteriorating state of law and order in our own society.
Caning was legal in the United States until it was ruled unconstitutional in 1948. I think we should amend the Constitution and bring back caning to help restore order to our streets.
The caning I have in mind does not necessarily have to be the Singapore type, administered brutally to the point of physical shock. It could be a more severe version of the belt-lashing my father used to give me. But I believe it would be salutary, and I am not alone in my views.
Recently, every time I go out on speaking engagements around the country, I poll my audience by asking this question. If you knew that by caning every convicted drug dealer, it would vastly reduce drug dealing and recidivism, would you support the reintroduction of caning? Overwhelmingly and consistently, people, including liberals, said yes by something like a 98-2 margin.
People in America are fed up that crime and recidivism -- 50 per cent of criminals in New York state are repeat offenders -- continue to mount, no matter how many people get sent to jail.
Yet, there is no other adequate form of punishment available but the death penalty, which applies, as it should, to only a very small, limited number of crimes.
Clearly, we need some form of punishment between death and ineffectual jail sentences. From my experience as mayor of New York, I know that judges are less and less prone to send people to jail for anything other than crimes of violence. They say we must save the overcrowded jail space for the more violent offenders, or that prisons turn juveniles into adept criminals.
Well, let us do the right thing and give the justice system another option. I have little doubt that the fear of being caned would deter people from engaging in the kinds of crimes they do now with impunity.
In a recent interview, Singapore's elder statesman, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, pointed out deeper causes for the deterioration of social order in America, and I absolutely agree with his views.
He said civil society has broken down in America for two related reasons: Because the freedom of the individual has become so inviolable as to be elevated to a "dogma" at the expense of society and because the family has fallen apart in all too many cases. This has led, he said, "to the erosion of the moral underpinning of (American) society and the diminution of personal responsibility."
To be sure, the individual has rights which must be defended fiercely. But the rights of society must be paramount.
I agree with Mr Lee when he says that the belief that society would flourish if everyone was allowed to do their own thing has turned out to be wrong and contrary to human nature.
The breakdown of the family in America is not a fact just in minority communities. It is a fact across the board. If the parent is not there to discipline the children when they do something wrong, by default it must be done by the state as society's protector.
Part of the arch-left philosophy is the idea that children from broken families must be understood as victims. Here I also agree with Mr Lee in some of his remarks. Being a "victim of society" is no excuse. If you do something wrong, you should be punished. Personal responsibility is a demand on our fellow citizens that must be restored in American society.
I agree wholeheartedly with British Prime Minister John Major, who said concerning the two 10 year olds accused of kidnapping and murdering a toddler: "I feel strongly that society needs to condemn a little more and understand a little less."
Of course, the state cannot put the family back together. But it does not have to be an accomplice by refusing to teach values in the public schools. There has been much debate about this because people somehow think you cannot teach values without teaching religion.
Values transcend religion. To teach that "Thou shall not kill" or "Thou shall not steal" does not mean you have to teach the Ten Commandments as given to Moses.
To teach love and respect for your parents is not teaching Confucianism; it is teaching values.
I am not advocating that America becomes an authoritarian Singapore. I am saying there are alternatives within the beloved Constitution to cope with the completely out-of-control criminality that makes us fear for our lives in our own neighbourhoods.
The kind of sympathy being shown in America for common sense in Singapore indicates that our troubled society has arrived at a turning point. The average American knows that we must balance the interests of society and the individual.
That balance has gotten out of whack and must return to some kind of equilibrium.
Once-scorned aphorisms of the past such as "Spare the rod and spoil the child" are ringing true again. The things we once learned at our mother's knee will be embraced once more.
The writer, who was the mayor of New York from 1978 to 1989, contributed this article to Global Viewpoint.